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The Bellinghman
Date: 2006-05-30 11:21
Subject: X-Men 3
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We went and saw X-Men 3 last night, in Cambridge.

Hmmm. I understand why they're saying that was the last of the series (but that they may do spin-offs). There were quite a few 'named mutants' they got rid of, one way or another. Rogue, Prof Xavier, Magneto, Mystique, Jean Grey, Scott, though perhaps, just perhaps, they aren't all gone.

  • Scott - we didn't see him go.

  • Xavier - well, he's been reincarnated (you did see the post-credits scene?)

  • Magneto - he's still alive, just stripped of his powers. Yet, we see him just able to influence a chess piece, so perhaps the 'cure' isn't permanent.

  • Mystique - again, she's just been stripped of her powers.

  • Rogue - ditto.

  • Jean Grey - well, OK, she's dead. Again.
Anyone else amused by the way that when the bridge arrives at Alcatraz, it's daylight, but when Magneto and co. actually walk off the end, it's night? Big bang SFX just look so much better by night, don't they?
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Gideon Hallett
User: gmh
Date: 2006-05-30 13:11 (UTC)
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Xavier - well, he's been reincarnated (you did see the post-credits scene?)

I can't help feeling that taking over that body is something Xavier would be against, though - it would be taking advantage of someone who couldn't fight back; which would raise the prospect of Evil Xavier.

And while Magneto doesn't have his powers for the moment, I think the 'oh god, what have I done?' line about Phoenix is hinting that, should he come back in the next film, he'll be a good guy.

Trivial question; in the chess scenes at the end of the first and third films, which colours was Magneto playing in them?

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The Bellinghman
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Date: 2006-05-30 13:40 (UTC)
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I thought the point about the body was that there was nobody in there. Yes?

Could Magneto turn good again? I don't know - he's pretty ruthless, and I don't see him getting fluffy anytime soon, any more than Napolean went fluffy when he was defeated.

As for which side he was playing - at the end, he appeared to be playing both sides.
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Gideon Hallett
User: gmh
Date: 2006-05-30 15:19 (UTC)
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I thought the point about the body was that there was nobody in there. Yes?

ICBW, but I thought that the person described was persistent-vegetative, rather than being completely devoid of a soul.

Could Magneto turn good again?

Through all three previous films, they've emphasised the friendship between Lenscher and Xavier; and when Xavier is being ripped apart by Phoenix, Lenscher calls for her to stop it.

As clanwilliam has pointed out, Magneto doesn't take human life if he can possibly avoid it; he always goes for non-lethal methods by preference, and he doesn't kill people just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

It would have been sensible to kill Mystique as soon as she lost her powers; but Magneto doesn't generally kill innocent people; even if they could hurt his plans.

In addition, the impression I get is that Lenscher views his differences with Xavier as resolvable; his impression is always that, one day, the battle lines would be drawn between humans and mutants; and, on that day, Xavier would have to choose Lenscher's path; at which point Lenscher would have won the long-standing argument.

(I'd also guess that the chess game between Xavier and Lenscher is an obvious metaphor for their argument.)

I'll check what colour he was playing at the end of the first game; I think Lenscher was playing black and Xavier white; whereas at the end of the third one, I think we saw Lenscher playing white (well, metallic silver).
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The Bellinghman
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Date: 2006-05-30 20:22 (UTC)
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Hmm, Magneto.

I can take the way he just leaves Mystique to the police in one of two ways.

Firstly, she no longer counts. As far as he's concerned, she's dead. There's just a human there now, and humans are just ambulatory meat. Annoying, frequently irritating, but not actually people. He doesn't even stop to think that she has information that might be a problem.

Or secondly, he's even more calculating than we thought. This is the master chess player, who now has but one use for her. She becomes the quaker cannon. It's her job, unwittingly, to lead the human forces into that decoy camp, and divert them from the real attack. This is why he rejects her so coldly, to make her "the woman scorned" that will apparently reveal his secrets.

What is noticeable, though, is the counterpoint with Rogue. The X-Men do not want to lose Rogue, but she is not rejected when she becomes normal again. Mystique, though - she's not a mutant, so to Magneto, she doesn't count as a person any more.

So nope - I don't see any crack for Magneto to reform. He's colder and more brutal than ever in this one.
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