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The Bellinghman
Date: 2011-06-22 11:12
Subject: Decline and fall
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"What's the point of a tablet"

"OK, it's nice, but I wouldn't have a use myself."

"Ooo, shiny!"
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Colette
User: bellinghwoman
Date: 2011-06-22 10:26 (UTC)
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Humph :-)
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Autopope: Kitten!
User: autopope
Date: 2011-06-22 10:36 (UTC)
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Predictable ...
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Colette
User: bellinghwoman
Date: 2011-06-22 10:46 (UTC)
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My excuse is On reflection, I came to the conclusion that for most of the stuff I do at home, I don't actually need the power of a full-blown desktop, so now I can leave it powered down for most of the time and save electricity :-)
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pakennedy
User: pakennedy
Date: 2011-06-22 10:36 (UTC)
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I can see the point in some niche areas, but not in general, but I had a play with an iPad in PCWorld a few weeks ago and... yes "Shiny" was the response.

That I can just about afford to feed myself makes the decision really easy though.
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The Bellinghman
User: bellinghman
Date: 2011-06-23 09:03 (UTC)
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Indeed - it's about priorities. We're lucky - we have a pretty good life right now, and enough spare income to be able to afford some treats: last month I paid for the two kittens, and this month C is treating herself to this item. But then, we're older than you, we've not got a mortgage (or rent), we're more senior in our jobs and therefore earnings, and neither of us has had the life shocks that you have had. I hope you do get established back on the ladder, or find a life at which you're happy.
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User: pir
Date: 2011-06-22 12:06 (UTC)
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I'm seeing if the Xoom drops in price a bit (unlockable and official Google software builds) and what happens about the Galaxy 10.1 (nice, slimmer, hardware) release...

Most people who visit our place have been borrowing the Cr48 ChromeOS machine I've got at home and other than the surprise at Chrome magically having their synced settings from elsewhere it's rather nice if all you need is a web browser (you can get a terminal and ssh from it but it's not a very clean experience).
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dorispossum
User: dorispossum
Date: 2011-06-22 19:31 (UTC)
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shiny, but not useful.

Especially if you touch type - lack of a proper keyboard is a massive slow-down.
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The Bellinghman
User: bellinghman
Date: 2011-06-22 22:24 (UTC)
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It's got a keyboard on this thing, a dockable one.

But most of the time with a tablet, you aren't typing, you're doing things like web browsing, for which a physical keyboard is an unnecessary appendage.
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dorispossum
User: dorispossum
Date: 2011-06-23 16:22 (UTC)
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Unfortunately a dockable keyboard would sabotage my main desire - something slim and shiny to put in a bag and use when out and about.

This is just me, but I actually upload and edit lots of content, so ability to use Word/PowerPoint etc effectively on the move is important to me - in addition to needing good web browser.

I think a netbook's the answer. And as one of my colleagues (also a touch typer) has just traded in her ipad for a netbook, I think I might just go straight for the latter.
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The Bellinghman
User: bellinghman
Date: 2011-06-23 16:41 (UTC)
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I should have said 'the user using a tablet as intended' rather than 'you' up there. There is indeed no single solution right for everyone.

The interesting thing about the Eee Pad is that with the keyboard attached, it effectively is a notebook, quite a cute one at 1.2 kg. Think of a notebook, whose screen is also touch sensitive, where you can unplug the screen from the rest at the hinge point. That's what it's like. Fully plugged in, it's close enough to a notebook that you'd probably never notice.

It's probably not going to be right for someone who needs Word and Powerpoint specifically, since it has Polaris Office installed instead, but it's probably useful for quite a lot of people who don't require compatibility.

Hold that - it looks like Polaris 3 can actually cope with MS Office documents.

Perhaps we can persuade C to bring it along next weekend. It fits in her bag quite happily even with keyboard attached.
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dorispossum
User: dorispossum
Date: 2011-06-23 18:41 (UTC)
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would indeed be nice to play with it, as long as it's not too much faff for C to carry round. :)
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born from jets!!!: applette
User: catness
Date: 2011-06-24 16:56 (UTC)
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I have a bluetooth keyboard for my ipad but invariably it doesn't work the way I think the keyboard should work. I may need to play with settings more to get it to be more useful, but mostly I don't bother. I use the ipad as remote swap for stuff I do all the heavy lifting for on a laptop/desktop, and almost all of that is music stuff. As a toy, I find the ipad charming and delightful but would never have bought it at *any* price point. As a musician's toolbox, I'm finding it better than adequate, almost amazing, and I'm hoping with some tweaking I can push it all the way to excellent.
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dorispossum
User: dorispossum
Date: 2011-06-24 17:13 (UTC)
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'A charming and delightful toy' - yes, totally agree with that definition. I've played with other people's, and they're lots of fun. But as I rarely use computers for recreation, I can't justify the expense. For me they're workhorses - tools for research, writing, shopping etc - and the ipad wouldn't be my best option for sheer utility. But if money were no object, I'd buy one, and use it to watch films on the train!
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Jos Dingjan
User: happydisciple
Date: 2011-06-23 06:00 (UTC)
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It's a bit of a slowdown, but I am amazed at how fast and many-fingered I can type on my iPad (I'm up to 6 fingers now). You have to look at what you're doing a bit more (or a bit more often) than with a physical keyboard, which makes typing in something that's printed or written down slower, but "original" text, where you're looking at the screen anyway... Works for me!
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dorispossum
User: dorispossum
Date: 2011-06-23 16:25 (UTC)
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I think the amateur typist might actually get on better with a pad - for me, I need the 'tactile' feedback to type at speed even when looking at the screen (looking at the character keys slows me right down).
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Jos Dingjan
User: happydisciple
Date: 2011-06-23 20:07 (UTC)
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Oh, but I don't look at the character keys - they're in my peripheral field of view, and that gives sufficient extra location cues that the lack of physical keys, and most notably the 'f' & 'j', doesn't slow me down as much as one might think.

On my iPad I don't reach my usual typing speed on a physical keyboard, but the difference isn't as large as you'd expect from the lack of tactile feedback.

And no, that's not because my regular typing speed isn't very high :-)

(the best way to slow me down is to reorder the keys into alphabetical order, like some railway ticket machines do. Hunt & peck, hunt & peck.)
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born from jets!!!
User: catness
Date: 2011-06-24 16:57 (UTC)
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I'd agree with this assessment. Once upon a time, I typed 75wpm. I feel like I can't even think at ipad typing speeds. :/
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dorispossum
User: dorispossum
Date: 2011-06-24 17:18 (UTC)
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75wpm - same as me! :) (tho last time I got tested was 2 decades ago!) I wonder if anybody's tried testing somebody's speed on a shiny?
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glinda_w
User: glinda_w
Date: 2011-06-23 00:18 (UTC)
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I had that reaction to ebook readers.

First, nah.

Then, yeah, might be nice, and I had dibs on someone's current one when she replaced it when the next generation came out.

And then erikagillian sent me a Kindle. "Shiny" does not begin to describe my reaction. *somewhat wry*
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dorispossum
User: dorispossum
Date: 2011-06-23 16:28 (UTC)
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Can't imagine using a kindle at home, but would LOVE one to take on holiday! (How lovely not to lug a stack of books with you!)
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