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The Bellinghman
Date: 2009-09-21 12:52
Subject: England's Vasa
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For the next three years, you won't be able to visit the Mary Rose in Portsmouth, because she's having a brand new museum built round her.

Once that is complete, she should be quite a sight.

The Mary Rose can be considered England's Vasa, since like that ship, she is a wonderfully preserved mediaeval warship raised from the mud. There are some differences:
  1. There's only one side of the Mary Rose available: the other got eaten by ship worm, something that wasn't a problem for the Vasa in the brackish waters in Stockholm.

  2. She's considerably older, having sunk over 80 years earlier

  3. She was considerably more successful - after launch, the Vasa sailed across the harbour, and made it part of the way back before sinking{*}. The Mary Rose, however, served for 35 years, taking part in battles and even getting upgraded twice.

But having seen the Vasa, I do intend to go see the Mary Rose once the museum's finished.

{*} IIRC, if you count the total distance the Vasa ever covered, including the post-raising movements, she went something like 2 km in total.
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irishkate
User: irishkate
Date: 2009-09-21 12:18 (UTC)
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I saw the Mary Rose a few years ago - it was an odd experience as it was in a conservation room with the ship propped upright being sprayed with the stuff they replace the water with and use to hold the timbers together (behind a glass wall from the tourist walkway). But you could see her quite clearly and make out all the detail. I would love to see her after they finish the museum - I suppose I could arrange something in the next 3 years....
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The Bellinghman
User: bellinghman
Date: 2009-09-21 12:27 (UTC)
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bellinghwoman saw the Vasa when it was still being sprayed, back when she worked in Stockholm. When we saw it together, a few years ago, it was out of the dry dock and in its own museum, and no longer being sprayed.

The Mary Rose will be well served if it gets the same sort of setup: it's a spectacular setup.

It looks like it's roughly a 30 year process to go from sea floor to dry room museum: 1960 - 1990 for the Vasa, 1982 - 2012 for the Mary Rose.
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Just a random swede
User: vatine
Date: 2009-09-21 13:22 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
The new Vasa museum is spectacularly good. I wasn't expecting much more than the old conservation hall when I saw it in its new halls and was very impressed by actually seeing the ship (in the conservation hall, you were within almost touching distance of the hull, so you never got an overview).
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The Bellinghman
User: bellinghman
Date: 2009-09-21 14:18 (UTC)
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It's definitely one of the star tourist attractions in Stockholm, one of the must-not-miss sites. I do hope that the Mary Rose gets something similar.
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Just a random swede
User: vatine
Date: 2009-09-21 14:33 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
It's one of those things I tend to discount, because I've only been to the new museum once or twice, but spent QUITE a few daycare or school trips in th eold building, so have this weird mental coupling between "Vasa" and "headache and boredom". But, the new museum IS absolutely gobsmackingly brilliant and definitely something to be seen.
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Rachel Coleman
User: rmc28
Date: 2009-09-21 12:55 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
I just about remember being late for school one day because my mother wanted me to watch the raising of the Mary Rose with her live on tv :)
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The Bellinghman
User: bellinghman
Date: 2009-09-21 14:16 (UTC)
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You must have been very late!

(Oh, so I suspect you were just watching the ship breaking surface.)
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Christer "Mort" Boräng
User: khrister
Date: 2009-09-21 17:17 (UTC)
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http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fil:Voyage_of_the_Vasa_Locator.svg

You're not far off. :)
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